[antir-heralds] Help with a new submission.. one more try

[Jillian Bower]

Hi :)

Making another stab at this sort of thing (since it seems I didn't do too bad at the last one) and this one's a cross, so it should theoretically be more difficult! :)

I had to go searching for what a bowen cross looked like first, because the picture link was broken. Instead, Yahoo! gave me a link to a Laurel precedent defining what a bowen cross is. This precedent is:

A Bowen cross is a Bowen knot rotated 45 degrees to be in cross, with the loops straightened into straight lines and right angle bends. It looks like five mascles conjoined in cross. WVS [23] [LoAR 27 Aug 80], p. 3 [http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/precedents/wilhelm/atoc.html]

So, we have to go conflict checking for "five mascles conjoined in cross" and perhaps also "Bowen knot". Looking through other precedents, the Bowen cross does not conflict with a fret or with a cross formy. Okay. The Ordinary index for "Cross -As Charge - Primary - Sable" includes Bowen knots, so this makes it easier.

Proposed device: Argent, a bowen cross within a double tressure sable.

Checking the category "Cross - As charge - Sole primary - Sable":

*Darcy Graham (February 1981 via Ansteorra)
Argent, a bowen knot in cross sable

CD1: Adding the double tressure (RfS X.4.b)
CD2: Since there is no difference between "Bowen cross" and "Bowen knot in cross", and both charges are sable, there is not a second CD from this device, and it conflicts.

Checking the category "Cross - As charge - Group primary - Sable":

* Oengus Ó Flannagáin (June 1998 via Atenveldt):
Argent, a sword gules fretted with a Bowen cross sable

CD1: Removal of the sword from the primary charge group (RfS X.1)
CD2: Adding the double tressure (RfS X.4.b)

Checking the Ordinary category "Orle - 2 or more":

* Gwenneth Bowynne of Glamorgan (March 2006 via Ansteorra):
Per saltire vert and sable, a Bowen knot crosswise within a double tressure Or.

CD1: Changing the field from per saltire ver and sable to argent (RfS X.4.a)
CD2: Changing the tincture of the primary charge from Or to sable (RfS X.4.d)
CD3: Changing the tincture of the double tressure from Or to sable (RfS X.4.d)


I found no conflicts among devices containing "five mascles conjoined in cross" (Ordinary catagory "mascle"); there were only three:

* Liadaine of Cul Mor (January 1987 via Ansteorra):
(Fieldless) Five mascles conjoined in cross between four sewing needles in saltire, points outward, argent.

CD1: Fieldless is automatically one CD (RfS X.4.a.iii)
CD2: Removing the sewing needles (RfS X.4.b)
CD3: Changing the tincture of the primary charge from argent to sable (RfS X.4.d)
CD4: Adding the double tressure (RfS X.4.b)

* Caecelia di Battista (August 1995 via the East):
Argent, five mascles conjoined in cross and a chief dovetailed vert.

CD1: Changing the tincture of the primary charge from vert to sable (RfS X.4.d)
CD2: Removing the chief (RfS X.4.b)
CD3: Adding the double tressure (RfS X.4.b)

* Ellesbeth Donofrey (June 1986 via the East):
Azure, five mascles conjoined in cross argent and a gore sinister ermine.

CD1: Changing the tincture of the field from azure to argent (RfS X.4.a)
CD2: Changing the tincture of the primary charge from argent to sable (RfS X.4.d)
CD3: Removing the gore sinister (RfS X.4.b)
CD4: Adding the double tressure (RfS X.4.b)


I believe this device, therefore, to only have one conflict (Darcy Graham: Argent, a bowen knot in cross sable). The submitter could possibly get a letter with permission to conflict or otherwise modify the current device to achieve another CD, however, changing the device again would require a new check. If I am wrong, I hope for another awesome learning experience like Teceangl gave me on the last check. :)


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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Lord Vanyev Betzina <vanyev at opendoor.com>
> May I please get help with a CC for the following:
> 
> Argent, a bowen cross within a double tressure sable.
> 
> image here:
> www.macrenaissance.com/Heraldry/vanyevbowen.jpg
> 
> Thanks all,
> Vanyev Glyn Dwfn
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