[antir-heralds] Conflict check, Barry argent and vert, a grenade gules within a bordure sable

[Britt]

Yes, Wenyeva, the flames need to be blazoned as proper.  That first
precedent Aine cited implies it, as the fireball doesn't have its
flames specifically blazoned, but the grenade does, meaning that if a
different tincture from the grenade the flames should be blazoned
specifically.  Note that in that precedent the fireball is entirely
Or, the grenade has some other tincture (we know it's gules because of
proper enflaming) in it, and that's mentioned.

Style note - lose some of that thick black outline around the grenade
and flames.  It's too loocse to fimbriation. Laurel has put out at
least one precedent saying that computer-generated heraldry risks
return for illegal fimbriation when the outer lines are too heavy, and
has returned armory for that reason. I slap it into Paint or Photoshop
and just shade the outline to match the charge.

Barry argent and vert, a grenade gules enflamed proper within a bordure sable.

> First, Ordinary category "Grenade" (whose entry says "see also 'Roundel - Whole' and 'Fire', yipee!):

<heh>  I love the Ordinary index for doing some of our work for us.

> * Sun, Principality of the (May of 1992 via Atenveldt):
> Argent, a fireball proper within a bordure azure
>
> CD1: Changing the division of the field from "argent" to "barry argent and vert" by RfS X.4.a
> CD2: Changing the tincture of the bordure from "azure" to "sable" by RfS X.4.d

This is something I need to poll Laurel about. A fireball or proper
isn't defined in Table 4 of the Glossary of Terms and the mundane
proper is hard to find.  It's black enflamed red and yellow (as per
the PicDic).  So there's another CD by X.4.d. for changing the
tincture of the charge.

> Next, Ordinary category "Roundel - Whole - 1 - Charged - Gules". Nothing close. Then I went to "Bordure - Uncharged - Plain line - Sable - Surrounding 1 only":

No need, actually, to check charged roundels.  I'm not remembering a
specific precedent but I do know you get a CD between a roundel and a
grenade/fireball since both were period charges. they just don't get
substantial difference.  Here's what I found in precedents:

Al-Jamal provided evidence that standard sources (Parker, Elvin, and
Franklyn and Tanner) define fireballs and grenades as identical
charges or, at most, minor artistic variants of one another. [Brian
Killian the Red, 08/99, R-Atlantia] [Ed.: There is no CD between the
two.]

(We knew that...)

A fireball Or is a bezant with four flames issuant from it in cross.
WVS [50] [LoAR 13 Aug 81], p. 12

And a bezant is a roundel Or, so...  Still doesn't define the CD. I
just know it's there. trust me? :)

Isobel MacCaffery - August of 1992 (via Atlantia): Argent, a torteau
and two feathers one and two, a bordure sable.
One CD for changes to the field by X.4.a.1.
One CD for changing number of charges from three to one by X.4.f.
Changing type of one of three charges isn't worth difference.  It's
still clear, though.

No need to check multiple roundels, as the type change is a CD and the
number change would be the other needed CD for clearance.

Since grenade cross-referenced Fire I checked it. It there's no CD
between a grenade and a flame I'll eat my paper copy of the Ordinary,
so I just looked for barry fields.  Nothing.
(I also looked for permutations of barry, by the way, as the
hypothetical 'Barry bendy vert and argent' probably gets a CD from
plain barry, but the RfS don't stipulate that they do so I checked and
would have gone precedents diving had I found such a field.)

Ian of Loch Naver - September of 1992 (via the West): Argent chapé
sable, a fireball gules enflamed proper.
One CD for changing the field division from argent chape sable to
barry argent and very by X.4.a.
One CD for adding a secondary charge group by X.4.b.

Constanza de Sevilla - August of 2003 (via the Middle): Or, a grenade
within a bordure embattled gules.
One CD for changing the field by X.4.a.
One CD for changing tincture of secondary charge group by X.4.d.
One CD or changing the type of secondary charge from plain bordure to
bordure embattled by X.4.e.
Cited to get that type CD mentioned for educational purposes. :)

Yup, it's clear.  So're the quarterly and per pale versions.

- Teceangl