[antir-heralds] Device check: Argent, a coney...
Britt
tierna.britt at gmail.com
Tue May 29 10:04:31 EDT 2007
> I believe this is okay re: basic rules (metal/colour, level of
> complexity, etc...), but is there anything I'm missing?
Internal detailing. The rabbit kind of looks like it belongs on the
mudflap of that Kenworth you get stuck behind on the way to Crown. :)
Put in an eye, a little line on the ear, hips... That will take care
of it. I suggest a white line and for the purposes of submission
forms have had great results with white or silver gel pens to add the
details. They don't have any problem going over Crayola/Rose Art
marker ink at all.
Do not send in anything off a color printer. The ink won't hold and it
might be sorta purplish or even gray by the time Laurel gets it.
Always use markers.
> Second, blazoning. Again, I'm new, but I'm going to throw out:
> Argent, a coney courant azure to sinister, and on a chief azure two
> crescents Or
Between you and Dafydd you've got the blazon down. I'm going to use
contourny in my version because the whole 'coney courant contourny' is
<ahem> cool :
Argent, a coney courant contourny and on a chief azure two crescents Or.
> Is this even remotely correct? Note: the black lines are just meant to
> be basic ink outlines, not another tincture (fimbriation?).
Good eye! Laurel has returned a device that looked a lot like this in
the past for having a fimbriated chief. When you generate the line
drawing for coloring, see how fine you can get those lines. Ideally,
they shouldn't be there at all, actually. Here's where color printing
might be useful - turn the outlines to blue then color in the areas
with blue marker. They won't match but it'll look a lot more elegant
than the unfortunate trend of 'coloring book heraldry' that the SCA
has slipped into because of submission forms requiring line drawings
in the past.
> And finally, assuming the first two items are correct and/or easily
> remedied, could I have a conflict check?
I might be able to do that...
(Grab your RfS and follow along - this is an easy one and good practice.)
This is classic X.2. qualified armory. Two types of charge on the
field (coney and chief) and no overall charges. Excellent period style
as well. X.1. is kind of silly when you're looking at a plain
tinctured field (though the SCA does protect Ermine for Brittany and
Vert as the flag of Libya), so it's not necessary to apply it here.
Which means Beast - Rabbit in the Ordinary, and section X.4. of the RfS.
And Laurel precedents... I'll do a fast check to see if
coneys/rabbits/hares have any one-CD-away charges that need to be
looked at.
(How anal is Teceangl? Teceangl loads every set of precedents in a
separate invocation of Firefox so as to keep one up for 'live'
webpages and email and the other dedicated specifically to Laurel
precedents.)
Hares, rabbits and coneys are sejant by default (Parker 306).
(Donata Ivanovna Basistova,
July, 1992, pg. 22)
Good to know. Not listed on Table 4 of the Glossary of Terms, so a useful find.
That's it. A coney apparently has no issues with other beast types.
The chief is nice - it creates an automatic second CD from fieldless
armory, so I can skip the fieldless stuff (but look for tinctureless,
which can have a field).
Ann of Hendon - April of 1988 (via Trimaris): Argent, a hare sejant
proper, on a chief azure three triangles Or.
One CD for changing the tincture of the critter to azure by X.4.d.
One CD for changing the posture/orientation of the critter by X.4.h.
One CD for making two or more changes to the tertiary charges
(type+number) by X.4.j.i.
Clear.
Ruric the Grey - September of 1992 (via the West): Argent, a rabbit
sejant affronty azure holding in its mouth a rose slipped and leaved
proper, a bordure azure.
One CD for changing the type of the secondary charge group from
bordure to chief by X.4.e.
One CD for changing the posture/orientation of the critter by X.4.h.
One CD for adding a group of charges on other charges by X.4.i.
Clear
Marin of Tre Bryn - March of 1992 (via Caid): Argent, semy of carrots
gules, slipped vert, a coney sejant erect azure maintaining a wooden
club bendwise sinister proper.
(fun CD count here)
One CD for changing the tincture of the secondary charge group from
gules to azure by X.4.d.
One CD for changing the type of the secondary charge group from
carrots to chief by X.4.e.
One CD for changing the number of the secondary charge group from semy
to one by X.4.f.
One CD for changing posture/orientation of the critter by X.4.h.
See how that worked? Your chief is the secondary charge group. The
only secondary charge group in Marin's armory is the carrots, so CDs
are counted between those two groups.
Clear
Leonardo Rossi - July of 1992 (via the Middle): Or, a pall inverted
between four rabbits courant two, one, and one azure.
X.2. with only two types of charge on the field and the type of every
primary charge changed from pall inverted to coney.
Clear
Guillermo Berenguer de los Almogávares - October of 1988 (via
Meridies): Vert, a coney courant guardant to sinister, on a chief
argent five fusils conjoined in fess vert.
One CD for changing the field by X.4.a.i.
One CD for changing the tincture of the critter by X.4.d.
One CD for changing the tincture of the chief by X.4.d.
One CD for making two or more changes to charges on other charges by X.4.j.i.
Clear
Real easy check. Only one category and for most entries I was able to
stack up a posture CD and a tincture CD before even reading the entire
blazon. For fields not argent the posture CD made two. I do skim all
blazons, but I read fast. In the Really Bad Old Days of heraldry, any
charge might be fimbriated, so don't assume you can skip color fields
just because your charge is color. Some ancient registration might be
hiding in there someplace. :)
> Is there anything else I'm not taking into account?
Lianor, you ask all the right questions. Can we keep you? :)
The style is excellent, those crescents are terrific. The style of
the rabbit did have me lloking up logos, but there's no problem there.
Closest out there is at http://www.tomoscanada.com/EN/newlogo.html
Now, for there to be logo identifiability problems, it has to be
pretty exact. A greyhound courant that doesn't look almost precisely
like the one on the side of the bus isn't going to cause the CoA to
twitch. Your rabbit doesn't look like the one I found as the head's a
different shape and the entire underside's different. Apparently the
Tomos logo is also always silver on blue. Not a concern.
Nice device.
- Teceangl
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