[antir-heralds] photo/style check please.

[chrisact at qwickconnect.net]

Britt wrote:

{much snippage}

> <snippage of excellent analysis of why this depiction is not gyronny>
>
>> The only way around this I can think of is gyronny of 3 tinctures, and
>> I'm not sure if the SCA allows that---other than the four items that are
>> gyronny of three
>> (http://oanda.sca.org/cgi-bin/oanda_bp.cgi?p=gyronny+of+three), I can
>> find no examples of gyronny in three tinctures.
>>     
>
> RfS VIII.iv. Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two
> different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts.
>
> Pretty clear.  Multiple parts = two tinctures.
>   

Hmm.... I'm not sure that applies. "A implies B" does not necessarily 
mean "B implies A." IOW, the fact that two tinctures must have good 
contrast does not mean you can't have three tinctures. Gyronny of 6, for 
example, could be gules, azure, and argent.

Of course, that's assuming "evenly divided" means (as per usual usage) 
divided more-or-less equally. If it is held to mean "divided into an 
even (divisible by two) number of pieces" then you would be correct. :-)

>> Oh, and regarding sable on a gyronny containing gules? This precedent
>> applies:
>> [/Gyronny sable and argent, a wolf statant purpure.../] Even though the
>> field is evenly divided of a color and metal, most of the identifying
>> parts of the wolf are on sable areas of the field, making the wolf
>> unidentifiable. [*Wulfgar Neumann*, 01/01, R-Outlands]
>> LoAR Date: January 1, 2001
>>     
>
> However, of all the colors, gules has the most contract with the other
> colors.  There would be no problem placing a complex charge on a field
> gyronny Or and gules provided it were drawn sufficiently identifiable.
>
> Rasmus Ravnssen - April of 2006 (via An Tir): Gyronny gules and Or, a
> raven contourny reguardant and an orle sable.
>
> Earik MacSkellie - August of 2006 (via the Middle): Gyronny gules and
> Or, an escarbuncle and on a chief sable three bezants.
>   

I stand corrected.

> I think the big issue would be pictorial depiction with the ship over
> the sun.  That a field per fess half gyronny from the line of division
> hasn't been registered in over a decade would also turn this into a
> test case at Laurel over the suitability of the design.
>
> I'd discuss some redesign options.  Per fess Or and argent, a drakkar
> and two swords in saltire sable and issuant from chief a demi-sun
> gules, perhaps.
>   

BTW, am I alone in thinking those look like (more-or-less) Arabic-style 
swords? /Eaters of the Dead/, anyone?

> Regarding Arquai's piles suggestion, that would put a sable charge on
> a gules field.  Overall charges must have good contrast with the
> field, not the charges they overlie.  RfS VIII.2.b.i.  However, gules
> piles in point on an Or field section might be acceptable.
>
> - Teceangl
>   

BTW, Arquai, "pily" is not the same thing as "piles in point"; for 
examples of pily, you can go to:
http://badger.cx/heraldry/roll/search.php?data=pily&type=blazon

:-)


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