[antir-heralds] Question

[Caitrina Lions Blood]

Greetings,

I'm helping Ealeen get started on her heraldic journey and suggested she
send a message to the list as the heralds of An Tir are always willing to
share their wealth of knowledge.  As she's already stated, she's a very new
herald (it's been almost half a month now).  

I've seen the sketch of the device in question and can clarify that the
goose is in base, not chief.  For some clarification this would be:

(almost plain English) Red field, red aczuthers down the middle of a white
chevron, in base a white goose close regardant (wings close to body, head
looking back) holding in it's mouth a white roundel.  

I know the College will help encourage Ealeen on this journey and welcome
her as they had welcomed me years ago.  

Caitrina

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Subject: Re: [antir-heralds] Question

Allison wrote:
> Greetings everyone,
> I am a brand new herald and would dearly love some help. I was asked for
> assistance with a devise (described in her words):
>
> "Red background, white goose with white rondell in mouth. Silver Chevron
> with Aczuthers (sp?) style border in Red".
>
> The aczuthers are those leaves that you usually see used in scrolls 
> etc. (I
> have illuminated a few scrolls):)
> She is wanting a conflict check.
>
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Yours,
> Ealeen Sable Loat

Errr....

Acanthus? Is that what you mean? Oh, and "silver" and "white" are the 
same thing---argent.

OK, I'll try and properly blazon that:  /Gules, a chevron, in chief a 
goose maintaining a roundel [in its beak] argent/  This assumes that the 
goose&roundel is "upwards from" the chevron, which is in more or less 
the middle of the field. She can't have the chevron "passing over" the 
goose&roundel, because they are the same tincture.

You'll notice I've left off the acanthus leaves. There are three reasons.

(1) I can't be sure I know what you mean. What is getting a border --- 
or do you mean edge --- and what (if anything) is the difference between 
acanthus leaves and a "[acanthus] style border"?

(2) I keep landing up mentally picturing red on red.

(3) I believe acanthus leaves, *especially* if in the area where a 
bordure would be, would look far too much like a laurel wreath, which is 
a reserved charge in the SCA.
---indeed, there is only one armorial item with acanthus leaves in it, 
and that goes back to 1982:
http://oanda.sca.org/cgi-bin/oanda_name.cgi?p=Ivan%20Gregorivich

A clearer description would be deeply appreciated. :-)

I hope this has been of some help.


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