[antir-heralds] Device help...Quarterly azure and argent

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Dafydd Caerfyrddin wrote:
> Oh great heralds of An Tir!!
>
> I have a client who would like a device that I'm not sure can be done and I'm not sure of all the correct terms, so...here goes...
>
> Quarterly azure and argent, 3 bears (not sure of posture yet) in each of the azure squares, a tree proper in the top argent square and a tree blasted and eradicated in the bottom argent square.
>
> Is this even possible, stylewise?  Or is it too much like slot machine?  I don't even want to try to conflict check it till I'm sure the style is ok.
>
> Thanks for all your help.
>
> YIS,
>
> THL Dafydd Caerfyrddin
> hldafydd at gmail.com
>   

I'm afraid this runs afoul of two important rules (as far as I can see).

As mentioned in http://www.sca.org/heraldry/coagloss.html
under "Sword and Dagger Rule":

"The popular name given to rulings which disallow the use of similar but 
non-identical charges together on the field or in the same charge group. 
In Gules, a dragon and a wyvern combattant argent the dragon and the 
wyvern are both on the field, and are similar but not identical; 
therefore this design violates the rule. Closely related are the rulings 
which disallow the use of the same charge in a primary and secondary 
group. In Gules, a mullet and in chief three mullets Or, both groups of 
mullets are on the field; therefore this design violates the rule. 
Conversely, in Gules, a mullet and on a chief Or three mullets gules the 
rule is not violated, as the two groups of mullets are not both on the 
field."

The two slightly different versions of a tree would be disallowed under 
this rule.


Further, the Rules for Submission 
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html) under IX.3 state "Armory 
that appears to marshall independent arms is considered presumptuous." 
Particularly of note is IX.3.b:

"No section of the field may contain an ordinary that terminates at the 
edge of that section, or more than one charge unless those charges are 
part of a group over the whole field. Charged sections must all contain 
charges of the same type to avoid the appearance of being different from 
each other."

The proposed device has more than one bear in quarters I and IV, so 
failing to follow this rule.


Sorry, but it looks to me like it's way, way outside the rules.


~~Basil Dragonstrike

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