[antir-heralds] Device help...Quarterly azure and argent

[Dafydd Caerfyrddin]

Ok.  That makes sense.  I will let her know and work on her second idea, 
which I am pretty sure will work.  Thank you

Dafydd

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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [antir-heralds] Device help...Quarterly azure and argent


Dafydd Caerfyrddin wrote:
> Oh great heralds of An Tir!!
>
> I have a client who would like a device that I'm not sure can be done and 
> I'm not sure of all the correct terms, so...here goes...
>
> Quarterly azure and argent, 3 bears (not sure of posture yet) in each of 
> the azure squares, a tree proper in the top argent square and a tree 
> blasted and eradicated in the bottom argent square.
>
> Is this even possible, stylewise?  Or is it too much like slot machine?  I 
> don't even want to try to conflict check it till I'm sure the style is ok.
>
> Thanks for all your help.
>
> YIS,
>
> THL Dafydd Caerfyrddin
> hldafydd at gmail.com
>

I'm afraid this runs afoul of two important rules (as far as I can see).

As mentioned in http://www.sca.org/heraldry/coagloss.html
under "Sword and Dagger Rule":

"The popular name given to rulings which disallow the use of similar but
non-identical charges together on the field or in the same charge group.
In Gules, a dragon and a wyvern combattant argent the dragon and the
wyvern are both on the field, and are similar but not identical;
therefore this design violates the rule. Closely related are the rulings
which disallow the use of the same charge in a primary and secondary
group. In Gules, a mullet and in chief three mullets Or, both groups of
mullets are on the field; therefore this design violates the rule.
Conversely, in Gules, a mullet and on a chief Or three mullets gules the
rule is not violated, as the two groups of mullets are not both on the
field."

The two slightly different versions of a tree would be disallowed under
this rule.


Further, the Rules for Submission
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html) under IX.3 state "Armory
that appears to marshall independent arms is considered presumptuous."
Particularly of note is IX.3.b:

"No section of the field may contain an ordinary that terminates at the
edge of that section, or more than one charge unless those charges are
part of a group over the whole field. Charged sections must all contain
charges of the same type to avoid the appearance of being different from
each other."

The proposed device has more than one bear in quarters I and IV, so
failing to follow this rule.


Sorry, but it looks to me like it's way, way outside the rules.


~~Basil Dragonstrike

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