[antir-heralds] CC: Per pale argent and azure...

[Ursula Whitcher]

> Per pale argent and azure, an oak tree proper and on a chief sable
> three bears sejant erect to sinister argent.
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> I found the following possible conflicts:

> a.. Canice Scrupe a.. The following device associated with this name
> was registered in January of 1996 (via Atlantia): Azure, two dolphins
> urinant respectant and on a chief argent three bears rampant gules. I
> believe this is clear...one CD for changing the primary tincture, one
> CD for changing the primary charge, one CD for the different
> posture/tincture of the bears, etc.

Remember rule X.2:

Simple armory does not conflict with other simple armory if the type of 
every primary charge is substantially changed.

Canice's device and your client's device are both simple and have 
completely different primary charges, so there's no need to count CDs.

> a.. Duncan MacGregor of Gleann Abhann a.. The following device
> associated with this name was registered in January of 2006 (via
> Gleann Abhann): Or, in fess a brown bear sejant erect to sinister and
> an oak tree eradicated fructed proper, a point pointed vert. I need
> some help on this one, let me see if I can get it right...one CD for
> the change of tincture, one CD for the chief, one CD for each of the
> charges being different?

You should say *what* has changed tincture when you're counting CDs.

One CD for changes to the field, one for changing the number of primary 
charges, one for changing the secondaries, and one for adding the 
tertiary charge group.

You checked against all trees with rounded shapes, not just oak trees, 
right?

Ursula Georges.