[antir-heralds] CC: Per pale argent and azure...

[Dafydd Caerfyrddin]

All trees with rounded shapes??  Oh boy....what other trees with rounded 
shapes are there?

Dafydd

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ursula Whitcher" <ursula at math.washington.edu>
To: "Dafydd Caerfyrddin" <hldafydd at gmail.com>
Cc: "Heralds" <antir-heralds at antir.sca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [antir-heralds] CC: Per pale argent and azure...


>> Per pale argent and azure, an oak tree proper and on a chief sable
>> three bears sejant erect to sinister argent.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found the following possible conflicts:
>
>> a.. Canice Scrupe a.. The following device associated with this name
>> was registered in January of 1996 (via Atlantia): Azure, two dolphins
>> urinant respectant and on a chief argent three bears rampant gules. I
>> believe this is clear...one CD for changing the primary tincture, one
>> CD for changing the primary charge, one CD for the different
>> posture/tincture of the bears, etc.
>
> Remember rule X.2:
>
> Simple armory does not conflict with other simple armory if the type of 
> every primary charge is substantially changed.
>
> Canice's device and your client's device are both simple and have 
> completely different primary charges, so there's no need to count CDs.
>
>> a.. Duncan MacGregor of Gleann Abhann a.. The following device
>> associated with this name was registered in January of 2006 (via
>> Gleann Abhann): Or, in fess a brown bear sejant erect to sinister and
>> an oak tree eradicated fructed proper, a point pointed vert. I need
>> some help on this one, let me see if I can get it right...one CD for
>> the change of tincture, one CD for the chief, one CD for each of the
>> charges being different?
>
> You should say *what* has changed tincture when you're counting CDs.
>
> One CD for changes to the field, one for changing the number of primary 
> charges, one for changing the secondaries, and one for adding the tertiary 
> charge group.
>
> You checked against all trees with rounded shapes, not just oak trees, 
> right?
>
> Ursula Georges.