[antir-heralds] some questions of Piles and Tridents

[Britt]

On 10/1/07, Caitrina Lions Blood <Caitrina at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Thank you Tecangl.  The example you chose of a pile is an excellent one.  I
> believe some of the confusion could have been due to one of the examples
> given to me which shows a very different rule of measure.
> http://www.sca.org/heraldry/primer/ordinaries.html

I'm on it. :)  Been trying to get the Laurel examples to registerable
versions.  Glad I could offer up a good visual. Some of the kingdom
roll isn't useful for submissions, some can be invaluable.

> Another good question posed is how is a herald or client to know which
> example they should use if they differ?

A good thing to do is to check Laurel precedents on the charge type
and see what's said there. Laurel has several on piles, chiefs
triangular, and other problematic charges. Francois, for instance,
said this more than once:

]This is not a pile, because it issues from the top corners of the
shield. Nor is it chaussé, because it does not extend all the way to
base. Nor is it a chief triangular, because it is much too deep. Nor
is it a per chevron inverted field division, because it does not issue
from the sides of the field. As a result, this must be returned.
[Rickard of Gwyntarian, 10/01, R-Middle]

So there's an excellent tip-off that a pile issuant from the corners
is a Bad Thing <tm>.  :)
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/precedents.html
Newer supersede older, so read from the top down and you can stop when
you find what you're looking for.

As for the Laurel page, it _should_ present excellent examples. Thank
you for finding this problem. I'll send Palimpsest a better pile and
let him fix things.

- Teceangl