[antir-heralds] A couple of questions

[chrisact at qwickconnect.net]

Zenobia wrote:
> Happily, if the bird is reblazoned as a popinjay Or winged and tailed vert, it doesn't matter whether the sun conure was known to Western Europeans, or not.
>   

That's probably the best way to handle it. };-)

> But as for Brazil and whether it was known by Western Europeans, according to the Library of Congress at http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0006/brazil.html
>
> "The encounter occurred on April 22, 1500, when Pedro Alvares Cabral, commander of a Portuguese armada, sighted the South American mainland and staked a claim for Portugal."
>
> Looking more into it, at another web site http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab48
>
> you find that the first attempt to colonize Brazil for Portugal was made in 1533, that in 1549 the first Governor General moves in, accompanied by Jesuits, and that there were Western sugar plantations "as early as the 1530s."
>
> So, it seems as if we have plenty of possibility that a Western European could have found a conure.
>
> Zenobia Naphtali
>   

Possible, indeed; however, if the sun conure is originally from as far 
inland as it sounds like, I'm still a bit hesitant. I'm not sure, not 
sure at all, but it's my impression there was very little penetration 
into the Amazon by Western Europeans in period.

Still, calling it a popinjay avoids the whole thing, so my quibble can 
easily be rendered academic. };-D


>> Paul Jeffery wrote:
>>     
>>> Greetings everyone.
>>>    
>>>   I have a couple of people that have come to me for help with names and devices. As I am a very new herald I am coming to you all for help. 
>>>   The first client would like to have a sun conure (type of parrot). I am not sure if this is possible as they are from central america. If it is possible when I do a conflict check would I have to check against all birds?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Ursula has covered the problem(s) of conflict checking birds already. :-)
>>
>> Re. the sun conure: It is not from Central America originally, but from 
>> Amazonia. It was "transplanted" by humans, post Columbus, to Central 
>> America and the Caribbean. See, for instance,
>> http://www.mysunconure.com/sunconurefacts.html
>> where it says:
>> *The origins of a sun conure* bird start in the Amazon River from the 
>> eastern parts of South America. Typical environments for these vibrantly 
>> colored birds, also known as the Aratinga Solstitialis, are the open 
>> forests of the Northern Amazon, Northeastern Brazil and Southeast Venezuela.
>>
>> I do not believe those areas had contact with Western Europe pre 17th 
>> century, so I seriously doubt the sun conure would be acceptably "in 
>> period." Sorry. :-(
>>
>>
>> ~~Basil Dragonstrike
>>     


~~Basil Dragonstrike

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