[antir-heralds] CC: leonine sagittary

[chrisact at qwickconnect.net]

Ursula Whitcher wrote:
> I'd appreciate help conflict-checking:
>
> Vert, a leonine sagittary Or and a chief potenty Or semy-de-lis azure.
>
> I checked Monster - Centaur and didn't find anything close.  Are there 
> other categories I should be looking at?
>
> Ursula Georges.
I hope you don't mind if I get prolix, in the hopes others can either 
learn from what I do, or any mistakes I make (which will be corrected, 
likely by Teceangl.  ;-) )


First, a small correction to the blazon. There's no need to have the 
tincture twice in a row like that. :-)

Better would be "Vert, a leonine sagittary and a chief potenty Or 
semy-de-lys azure." (NB: the spelling of semy-de-lys I just used seems 
to be overwhelmingly preferred in the Ordinary---135 times to 17 for all 
other spellings. Use that info as you wish.)

There is one BIG problem still remaining: the sagittary's posture is 
unknown, and there is no default posture for sagittaries nor centaurs 
(v. the CoA Glossary (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/coagloss.html) which 
gives all the default postures); in fact, there's not even a default 
posture for a horse!

Not knowing the posture of the sagittary, one needs to check versus all 
postures. IOW, we'll have to do without X.4.h.

Any registered item with nothing in place of the sagittary, or with a 
"substantially changed" (aka "Substantially Different") charge in place 
of the sagittary, will be clear. This is by X.1 (if no primary charge 
group) or X.2 (if "Substantially Different" charge group---the 
submission qualifies as "simple armory" for the purposes of X.2).

So, we only need to look under "sagittary," or anything else that's not 
"Substantially Different" from a sagittary. Using the index to the 
Ordinary (http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html) under "S" for 
sagittary, we get re-directed to "Monster - Centaur." There are 51 items 
there, and using X.4 in all it's convoluted glory, we can clear them all.

Thus, we are left with the question: is there any charge not found under 
"Monster - Centaur" that isn't "Substantially Different" from a 
sagittary? Other than a horse, I can't think of any, and I'd expect a 
horse is "Substantially Different" from a sagittary. Even if a horse 
isn't "Substantially Different" I'm sure it's "Significantly Different" 
and qualifies under X.4.e

Let's go check horses, just to be sure. Back to the Index; H for horse 
sends us to "Beast - Horse" where we find it subdivided by number, and 
"1" subdivided by tincture. A moment's thought, though, and we realize 
we don't have to look for any tincture of horse other than Or, because 
being a horse is one CD (as I said in the previous paragraph) and being 
a different tincture is another. We better throw in "Multicolored" 
horses just to be safe.

I'll spare you any examples, and just say --- I find no conflicts.

BTW, in my opinion, this is very good-looking armory. ;-)


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