[antir-heralds] Earnrokkers -- Argent, twin thistles entwined

[Teceangl]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Craig Simons <eldren_coralon at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The thistles on this device may need to have an added touch:  tell that the "hair" (perhaps it is "flowered?"  Or would it be "leaved?") is purpure.  Thistles proper are green with purpure or gules "flowers."  The color will not count for a CD anywhere, but if it's an important part of the device, then it should be noted.

We really need to get that stupid 'or' out of the definition. Glossary
of Terms says, "Green sepals, stem, leaves; purple or red flower".  I
don't know where they got red.  Anyway, either 'vert flowered purpure'
or 'proper flowered purpure' works if the exact tincture matters.

>  Also, the submission form has a purple edge on the thistle leaves.  This should be changed to just a plain green leaf.  Fimbriating a leaf is odd and may not pass.  A shamrock was too complex of a design to be fimbriated, so I'd imagine a leave may be too.  (Anybody got a precedent for that or know if I'm completely wrong here?)

RfS VIII.3., no precedent needed.

>  >From there, we find that one thistle is inferred to be different from 2 or more thistles.  Clicking that link tells us there are 182 registered items with 2 or more thistles.  Before we go further, we'll look at precedents and see thistles need to be checked against other things....
>
>  It doesn't seem like it.  My perusal through the precedents tells me that thistles are different from roses, tulips, shamrocks, and other plants.  It looks as though we'll just need to look at thistles for the time being.

<cough>
Different or different?  How different?  One CD can still leave a
conflict, you need substantial difference before you can eliminate the
need to look at other flower types.

>  >  There are 182 devices with 2 or more thistles.  That would be a good place to start looking for some conflicts.  Most of them will easily be clear due to field difference (only 25 are proper thistles on argent fields) and primary/secondary charge groups, tincture changes, and placement on the field.  I don't have time to go through and check, otherwise I'd post my findings.

Not a bad conflict check guideline, though, thanks.

- Teceangl
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